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December 19, 2007

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The Kenosha Kid

You have never looked as good as you do in that first picture.

charley

Des is a hottie.

but i already knew that.

not quite groking the whole sit. but thanx for the pics.

if you shoot raw you'll never have to worry about overexposure again.

you're a wild man, fight the good fight.

jawbone

Hhhmmmm--so now Verizon and AT&T can, somehow, offer terms to apartment renters which will be real competition? Maybe, but I haven't really seen it here in Northern NJ for regular householders.

Commission officials said the rule aims to put an end to some common practices of landlords and tenant associations that have deprived tenants of choices. They said that in many communities, there has been only one cable provider, and while landlords and tenant associations could select a satellite television provider, the competition from those companies has not led to lower cable prices.

white house lawn gnome

Great seeing you all tonight at the CODEPINK house! Keep up the good work shaking up our so-called "elected officials!".

LaFajita

Hey Todd,

From the photographs, it looks like the Pink Marine finally retook her Hill. Good on her.

LaFajita

Ooh! I can post here! This is so much better than the Code Pink site, as it seems to have become the Happy Troll Fun Park and Petting Zoo. It was a pleasure to make your acquaintance. Enjoy your stay at the House. I always do, and all I do is hang out over there in the evenings and offer myself as the living proof that there is nothing or nobody the Ladies will not hug, nor is there a fool they will not suffer.
Truly a remarkable group.

doggril

Why is it that many among the Left seem to believe it to be mandatory to show up to protests dressed like clowns? And, no, I don't mean that figuratively. And, yes, I'm serious.

NTodd

doggril - why do you not find value in guerrilla theater and mocking authority? Should we all dress up in 3-piece suits to be "serious"? I think not.

Learn more about the 198 Methods on Nonviolent Action and consider that clowning is not the only way to resist, nor is it mutually exclusive with other channels into the apparatus.

doggril

When I think of effective voices of dissent, I think of Digby and Greenwald (neither of whom I've seen pictured in 3 piece suits, btw). I don't think of...actually I can't think of a single individual who has successfully caught the attention of the larger community by dressing like a clown.
Frankly I wince when I see the singing antiwar grannies (or whateverthehell their official name is) because, while their goal may be to mock authority, I think the only mocking going on is pretty much directed AT the grannies.
I agree that there is more than one way to skin a cat; and there are some incidents of street theater I've found to be very provocative (I was at one of the WTO protests in Seattle, and the street theater there seemed to elicit pretty positive responses, even from the press). But people dressed like clowns seem only to invite ridicule. If I were a politician, no matter how sympathetic I was to their cause, I would never, ever have my picture taken with some of those folks in the pics above. That is a dream pic for a conservative opponent. It's not that it's wrong; I just think dressing like that doesn't send the message you seem to think it sends.

NTodd

Yeah, Digby and Greenwald sure ended the war fast, didn't they? WHOOHOO!

Enjoy being polite along with the status quo. Some of us are going to continue putting psychological pressure on people while being in their faces, even if it makes you wince. No, strike that: BECAUSE it makes you wince.

doggril

A million years ago (or so it feels) I belonged to an evangelical church. I was never really comfortable with a lot of what they did, especially their aggressiveness in recruiting new members. Their strategy was to pester people they knew to try to wear them down so that they'd eventually come to church. They'd usually get a polite "no, thanks" after the first invitation. Same for the second and third. By the fourth invitation or so, if someone hadn't come around, the invitee would often start being a little curt in their refusal. And they would get more and more curt, after the 10th and l1th invitation. Eventually, they would inevitably break and tell the churchmember, in no uncertain terms, to leave them the hell alone.
This progression, as predictable as it was, generally didn't slow down the churchmembers. For them, it was a win-win proposition. If the person joined the church (which rarely happened), that was good. If the person ended up yelling at them (which was common), that was also good as such "persecution" "proved"the church person was doing the Lord's work.
You see, they had deluded themselves into thinking they were accomplishing something, when, in fact, they were simply being annoying.
So, if you really think that dressing up as clowns is working to get us out of Iraq, knock yourself out. I clearly have a different perspective.

NTodd

You see, they had deluded themselves into thinking they were accomplishing something, when, in fact, they were simply being annoying.

Yeah, because proseltyizing is just the same as petitioning your government who would otherwise TOTALLY PAY ATTENTION TO YOU AND THE POLLS AND ELECTIONS!

So, if you really think that dressing up as clowns is working to get us out of Iraq, knock yourself out.

Strawman. It's one channel, and unless all the other 200 million antiwar people join us in the streets, we gotta do whatever it takes to stay in the faces of our employees. That includes civil disobedience, war tax resistance, general strikes, etc. Join us and we can take off the funny hats.

I'd also just note that you started with another strawman: that there are always clowns at protests. If you took the time to look around here and elsewhere, you'd see that much of the protest is done without such theater. But the theater sure is memorable, ain't it?

Hell, when we dressed up as Dick and George, kids were coming up to us, begging to try on the heads, excitedly accepting impeachment stickers, as were their parents, restaurant staff were cheering, and other spectators gave us thumbs up, etc. They even started chanting "freedom of speech, this is a democracy!" when we were asked (nicely, by very sympathetic cops) to leave the premises.

Bottom line: it has psychological impact. It stays with the officials, who whine about being in the Hall of Shame, or accelerate past us because they fear the questions and funny hats, or in many cases, they stop and converse with us because we're there every day, showing them that we have not given up.

Emerson asked Thoreau when he was in prison for tax resistance, "Henry, why are you in there?" His friend replied, "Ralph, why are you out there?"

Join us, or stay home and "wince" and think your methods alone will work. We can't all be lion tamers...

doggril

"I'd also just note that you started with another strawman: that there are always clowns at protests."
Your defensiveness is clouding your reading comprehension. I was very careful to stay away from the word "always," as that would have been a mischaracterization.
Try to argue against what I actually wrote, rather than your attempt to misquote me. You may find that a bit harder.

NTodd

Interesting that you think I deliberately misquoted you out of defensiveness.

The implication is still clear: in your world there is no room for theater in dissent. So I recalled your comment as saying "always" because that's the usual context when people complain about protesters' choice of costume. Big deal. My points yet stand, with revision of the word "always" to "so many."

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